Curse

artay · May 15, 2007, 06:45 AM // 06:45

If I turn off the Trade channel and I still can't get a word in Local because of WTS x, WTB y.

Then theres something wrong.

Jongo River · May 15, 2007, 06:46 AM // 06:46

If this is all true, I'm very happy to hear it. I don't trade much, but when I do, I always turn regular chat off, because the worst spamming tends to happen there (hitting out a message four times in a row, repeatedly, for instance) and it makes everything move so fast, it's impossible to even read the damn text! Those idiots don't seem to realise they actually reduce their chances of selling anything.

Even if it were possible to keep track of all channels in a busy trade outpost, I've no interest in rewarding people who behave like that. Ban the lot of them.

Patrick Smit · May 15, 2007, 07:14 AM // 07:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firebaall

To cookie hater:

The trade channel is not a "chat" channel. It is not there to converse. It is an ad driven medium.

Go have an apple
Go have an apple

.....ironic that you double posted your response though. lol.

You can just refer me with my name, its normal behavior in a discussion, no nicks needed, esspecially when they are not out of affection. Again you start using doubtful discussion techniques, why, what is the use of saying go have an apple instead, learn to discuss and use arguments please, otherwise dont answer.

As to reply to the bolded stuff, the trade channel is a chat channel too. Maybe you don't want to acknowledge that, but if they intended the local channel, then they would have said local in the EULA, for now it refers to all chat channels, meaning local, guild, trade, and whisper. Advertising your goods is ok, not in local channel and not repeatedly as indicated in the EULA. This is the last time that i will respond to u unless u come with some arguments.

ABout the ironic part, yes I doubleposted cause the connection with GURU is certain not always optimal. Funny is that it it will illustrate the normal bussiness here, we post usually only once (eben I do), we don't repeat our messages intentionally, I thereby apologize and indicate that it happened UNINTENTIONALLY, and am glad that the mods removed the double posted message.

You don't "win" discussion by being funny, nor can u actually win a discussion. you can only show and maybe convince others by arguments. You don't convince others by repeating the same argument over and over. If others are being convinced (or just stop discussing, as I think it will usually be the case) by sheer spamming of funny remarks, or whatever unargumented contents, then you are hjust disrupting the discussion, not contributing to it.

sir lockt · May 15, 2007, 07:25 AM // 07:25

The OP admitted he posted in "all-chat" I would say there you have a reason. No matter the mechanism that caught him. I think it should be expanded. All-chat is useless with all the WTB/WTS adds. Trade channel is full with it as well.. as it should be.

I like the way anet dealt with this... banning WTS/WTB posters in all chat should be dealt with.

Perynne · May 15, 2007, 07:33 AM // 07:33

I gotta say I agree with Anet for banning someone who spammed in local chat. If they intended local chat to be used for trade spam, then there wouldn't be a trade chat would there? I really don't understand people who refuse to use the trade chat. Local is there for talk, and it's really sad to see people asking for help on local only to be flooded out by inane trade spam.
I absolutely hate the spammers in local chat and never trade with them even if they're selling something I really want. Cheers to Anet for actually doing something about it.

I'm sure spamming is quite essential to get your items sold, but there's no need to spam it every second. Write your message, press enter, and then wait for a while. If someone's interested, it will take them a few seconds to type up a reply. People will notice it if they're looking for something even if you only type it every 30 seconds. Trade chat is also quite enough to get your items displayed. If you want to do some larger trading, then using Auction houses and forums like in Guru work quite well.
I know this is a poor alternative to an ingame trading house, but I have a feeling that even if such a trading house was implemented, people would still be too lazy to use it...

Firebaall · May 15, 2007, 07:35 AM // 07:35

Nah, cupcake.

Trade is not a chat window. Unless you speak in bizarre pretense.

"WTS: cookies" does not mean "I don't like cookies, would somebody please take them from me?"

"WTB: One apple for cupcake that WTS a cookie"

The argument is in the comedy. And you sir, are the straight man. :P

Etta · May 15, 2007, 07:45 AM // 07:45

So spamming in All chat is count as abusive according to the ELUA, right? So how many spam does it take to count as breaking the rule? And how many wtb did the op spam? 50? 75? 100 in 1 min?

I hate wtb & wts spam in all chat as well but it would help if we know what is acceptable and what's not. Seeing that all chat spam has been with us for a really long time now.

Faer · May 15, 2007, 07:46 AM // 07:46

Just hopped around various outposts and districts spamming "WTS LIFE, PM OFFERS NO GIRLS ALLOWED!" on my mule account for several minutes... Didn't get a ban for it.

Then again, I was using the Trade Channel, so maybe...

ryanryanryan0310 · May 15, 2007, 07:50 AM // 07:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faer

Just hopped around various outposts and districts spamming "WTS LIFE, PM OFFERS NO GIRLS ALLOWED!" on my mule account for several minutes... Didn't get a ban for it.

A-net agreed with you....

I think as long as you don't use the all chat, then it ain't wrong.

Patrick Smit · May 15, 2007, 07:59 AM // 07:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firebaall

Nah, cupcake.

Trade is not a chat window. Unless you speak in bizarre pretense.

"WTS: cookies" does not mean "I don't like cookies, would somebody please take them from me?"

"WTB: One apple for cupcake that WTS a cookie"

The argument is in the comedy. And you sir, are the straight man. :P

Please refrain from using names on others, it is not appreciated by me, it IS a poor discussion technique, close to trolling, and doesn't add to the discussion.

Your statement that Trade is not a chat channel doesn't bring any arguments against what I quoted from the EULA. Means to "chat", i.e. communicate in all channels is referred to as chat. Otherwise the EULA would be ineffective as hell, because then u could spam vulgarities and insults in whisper or trade channel, as long as you dont misbehave in local channel. You get my point? Logical deduction implies that chat must refer to all, and not only local channel.

All chat means go with this line:

Quote:

Originally Posted by GW EULA

With this privilege comes a high level of responsibility on the part of the user.

Liberalism, meaning that things go relatively uncontrolled doesn't come with irresponsability, but the irresponsibile just screw it up. The response to control irresponsability with automated punitive responses is just not working too well, it can potentially punish innocents. But some mods cleaning out kamadan on a regular basis would work wonders, people would start realizing what the consequenses if ignoring the EULA can mean. I.E. If ANet catches they silence you, and that serves their right. Irresponsibles should be learned how to behave, otherwise a community does collapse. Having limits and rules means nothing if they are not implied. Like a state with rules but no law enforcement would descent into anarchy.

Tempy · May 15, 2007, 08:02 AM // 08:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robin_Anadri

If you don't use the trade channel and the PARTY SEARCH BUTTON that HAS A SPECIFIC SECTION FOR TRADE and is AS CLOSE TO A "TRADE SYSTEM" AS WE WILL EVER GET (because Anet will never, ever, ever create an auction system, quit deluding yourselves), then I have absolutely zero sympathy for you.

I leave all-chat turned off because you absolutely cannot use it for its original purposes (discussion with non-guildie/alliance/team members for non-trade reasons) because of the trade spam. You're supposed to be able to avoid trade talk by turning off the trade channel, or go listen to it if you WTB/WTS something.

So people getting banned for trade spam on allchat? Great! Good work, Anet!

Couldn't agree more...I wish they'd do it more!!!!

Mindtrust · May 15, 2007, 08:52 AM // 08:52

Not sure what to say, kind of good that they do it.
But a nice little update notice would have been good since it's more or less accepted that you got 1 major wtb/wts city in each continent.

It would be kind of neat if they made a "trade city" that can be reached from all 3 campaigns. (yes we do have thoose places, but they are not meant for spaming trades) All you need there is a big market square and some npcs. Then people don't have to jump between continents and spam allover the place, since they are all located at one place.

kumarshah · May 15, 2007, 09:18 AM // 09:18

Just introduce Auction Houses. All trading issues solved. lol

Etta · May 15, 2007, 09:33 AM // 09:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by kumarshah

Just introduce Auction Houses. All trading issues solved. lol

Not really, just look at WOW. Even with the auction house there are still a lot of trade spams everywhere. But even if GW has an auction house (which is higly unlikely) the spams would be cut down by a lot, but you can never completely stop trade spam in all chat.

Unless anet took a zero tolerance action against those who spam wts/wtb in all chat, hilarity ensures.

Talon one · May 15, 2007, 09:44 AM // 09:44

one thing every player could do is to stop buying things from all chat spammers

the sad thing is that spamming works. ppl walk through town without actually wanting to buy something, but they catch a chatbubble out of the corner of their eye and see a rare weapon they always wanted. then they stop to turn on all chat and may decide to buy smething or not.
its a long shot but its the only way to reach the large part of the player population that hates to trade with other players.

Firebaall · May 15, 2007, 09:47 AM // 09:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patrick Smit

This is the last time that i will respond to u unless u come with some arguments.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patrick Smit

Your statement that Trade is not a chat channel doesn't bring any arguments against what I quoted from the EULA

Well, bubblegum machine,

Either you recognize that my point has validity in argument, or you are a hypocrite. The Trade channel is not a chat channel. As much as you assume it is, it is not. It is a post for sale and not conversation. Now by looking at a debate or argument, you are not showing yourself to be a credible source of lucid discussion as illustrated by the above quotes.

Show me (without your skewed interpretation) where and how the trade channel is inclusive of "chat". Until you can prove your position and disprove mine....with fact, you cannot dismiss my statements.

Naturally, everybody likes cookies, apples and bubblegum machines. Unless they are diabetic...or cats.

Hyper.nl · May 15, 2007, 09:59 AM // 09:59

If you were using local chat as trade chat: I'm glas that ANet finally does something about it. Just use trade chat only for trade.

If you were using trade chat: Well, then I dunno. Than a tempban is not fair imo. I'm doing the same, and the search button is NOT a good alternative for spamming, since you can only add a little information and your entry is lost when you change district / town.

arcanemacabre · May 15, 2007, 10:12 AM // 10:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firebaall

Show me (without your skewed interpretation) where and how the trade channel is inclusive of "chat". Until you can prove your position and disprove mine....with fact, you cannot dismiss my statements.

Can I answer? Please?

Here, I'll answer with some questions to consider: Is it possible to "chat" in the Trade channel? Do you suppose it would be okay to spew profanity, racial slurs, and any other kind of offensive banter in the Trade channel? Do you think Anet would suppose it was okay?

Also, why do you think the Local channel is called "Local" and not "Chat"?

<--see my avatar for my current facial expression

Alderin · May 15, 2007, 10:40 AM // 10:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

Do you suppose it would be okay to spew profanity, racial slurs, and any other kind of offensive banter in the Trade channel? Do you think Anet would suppose it was okay?

Also, why do you think the Local channel is called "Local" and not "Chat"?

Can I answer, please?

Even in public chat people spew profanity, racial slurs, and other kinds of offensive banter to no end without any consenquences for it. I've sent in numours reports with screen shots along with the location, district, and time it occured only to see the same people on every day doing the same thing over and over. I know several people who used to continually report such persons on a daily basis but since nothing was ever done they and myself have quit. Funny how they let such people run rampant yet ban someone for posting a few sales in local chat.

It could be called "Local " to show that it is just for that town and that district?

arcanemacabre · May 15, 2007, 10:50 AM // 10:50

Alderin, I realize that, that's not my point, nor the point I was addressing - but you are pretty much right. My point is, the different channels are different "Chat" channels: Local "Chat", Trade "Chat", Alliance "Chat", etc. This is because they all use the same "Chat" system, the same "Chat" window (or box), and saying "Hello all!" can be said in every one of the channels the same way - same chat.

One could look at it this way, Local Chat is for people chatting about (and in) the local area, whereas Trade Chat is people chatting about trade (not necessarily nothing but trading, but chatting about it. Other things commonly seen in Trade Chat would be Price Checks, Giveaways, tips on buying/selling, etc.